Well to be honest, I think the “Quran-only” Muslims or Quranism is a very ignorant position to take. The reason I say this is because much of what it takes to be a Muslim is based on the Sunnah. The Hadiths are what define Islamic law and without them the religion is non-existent. If you take just the Quran as the basis without anything else you hardly have any laws, you only have the same old fairy tales of the Old Testament and the Christian gospels copied over, then this constant fear of god added in, with a bunch of misogynist and intolerant passages towards women and non-believers.
Many Muslims who deny the authenticity of this Hadith, even though it recorded in all Islamic teachings, fail to keep in mind that the hadiths contain the material that define the religion of Islam. They feel that it is a “moderate” position, but in reality, it makes no sense, if you want to be moderate you leave religion altogether. Apologists argue that the Hadith should not be considered; only the Quran applies, even though the religion of Islam exists because of the Hadith since it contains many laws and customs that make up the religion. It’s sort of like the pathetic Christian argument that the Old Testament doesn’t apply even though without the Old Testament their entire religion ceases to exist.
Regardless, the Quran has its own fair share of hatred and disrespect for women and constant hatred towards anyone but Muslim men who strictly abide by its word. When you read the Quran, Allah is constantly speaking to MEN, telling MEN how to treat WOMEN, how handle women, and even instructions on how to beat women. Women are not the focus; they are well below men or even worse they are just objects. Albeit, as far as scripture goes, this is not a whole lot different from Christianity.
As I have always said before, I know Muhammad made certain changes in the tribal deserts of Arabia in the 7th century. Your anger does not change the fact that times have changed. That was then, and now we’re in a different age. Yes I understand what context means, the entire religion is based on taking passages out of context. If you cannot take one part out of context because you think it was only relevant to the barbaric deserts of Arabia, then perhaps you should apply that logic to the rest of the religion as well.
ps. I love how you say his wife was his boss, which wife are we talking about? It can’t possibly be 6-year old Aisha? or the slaves he had, or his concubines?
I certainly hope not! Why do you pray for me to be back in that prison! I cannot explain how beautiful, enjoyable, happy, and amazing life is without Islam. The concept of non-belief is not just liberating, but it’s extremely empowering, even though prayers don’t work, please don’t wish that kind of pain on anyone. Thank you
If you ask Muslims, they’ll show you a couple of youtube videos about these “conversion” stories, etc. etc. It’s funny how they assume a few depressed people who converted to Islam is proof for the nonsense they are proposing. I would love to start making videos about de-conversion stories of Muslims. The ex-Muslims who are not agnostic and atheist, are the ones that Muslims tend to ignore, they don’t realize how their numbers are much larger and how thousands of them never come out publicly because they would be risking their lives if they did.
Because if you haven’t noticed already Islam favours men over women. It’s very simple, that’s what it comes down to. Islam does not think that women care carry on the cult of Islam, hence if they marry a Christian man, then the children are doomed. It’s all part of a massive misogynistic ideology that unfortunately lives on to this day.
I am sorry to hear that but unfortunately I don’t have this issue. People who know me are very much aware that I am not Muslim. In fact, they know I am against Islam as much as you could possibly get. Sure once in a while, when travelling, I am profiled for having an Islamic name but that’s about it. Do you still practice anything that is related to Islam? Do you act “Islamic” per se? Because it’s very difficult for me to grasp the idea of non-Muslims seeing you as a Muslim when you are not.
1) Please tell me why I need to be “careful”, careful of what? Telling people the truth that you so eagerly want to change/hide?
2) I know I am not Muslim, but why does that mean I should have no knowledge of Islam. A doctor who performs on cancer patients has more knowledge than most of those patients, I would love for you to go and give the same warning to those doctors. The reason I am not a Muslim is because I studied the Quran and the Hadith.
3) More importantly the Quran and the Hadith show excessive hatred for women, and put a huge barrier between men and women.
Before you go any further with the name calling and tell me what I can or cannot do, we should probably look at some facts. I claimed that Islam, just like Christianity, hates women. I stand by this statement and I will tell you why since apparently I am very ignorant to you for having devoted a big portion of my life to studying the religion out of personal interest, for having lived and travelled in Muslim countries, and for deciding to share my experience from it all.
The amount of sexism and misogyny in the Quran and the Hadith is endless, but I can focus on a few parts just to clarify why I say Islam hates women. I ask you to read this with an open mind, not the brainwashed mentality that says, “I must defend Islam no matter what”.
As you are aware, Muslims are told that Muhammad’s ways in life should be the standard for all good Muslims!
The Islamic Hadith states that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of 6, and the marriage was consummated when she was 9, while Muhammad was 53, in Medina. All the Hadiths agree on this, with the exception of al-Tabari, which states that she was 10 at the time, like that makes a difference!
Reference from the Hadith: Sahih Bukhari Book 58, Number 236 states, “Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.”
Many Muslims who deny the authenticity of this Hadith, even though it recorded in all Islamic teachings, keep in mind that the rest of this book contains the material that defines the religion of Islam, and this is why both of my grandmothers were married to men in their 30s when they hadn’t even reached the age of 13.
But some “moderate” apologists argue that the Hadith should not be considered; only the Quran applies, even though the religion of Islam exists because of the Hadith since it contains many laws and customs that make up the religion. It’s sort of like the pathetic Christian argument that the Old Testament doesn’t apply even though without the Old Testament their entire religion ceases to exist. Regardless, the Quran has its own fair share of hatred and disrespect for women. When you read the Quran, Allah is constantly speaking to MEN, telling MEN how to treat WOMEN, how handle women, and even instructions on how to beat women. Women are not the focus; they are well below men or even worse they are just objects. This is really no different than the Bible. In the Quran Allah considers women to be like a dirty field and says men should come forward with their penises to plow the field. It even says that your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you. This goes beyond objectifying women, it’s absolutely sickening to think of women this way, like they’re tools that god created for pleasing men. Reference for this: Quran 2:223.
But that’s not where it ends, the Quran tells us that men are a degree higher than women, and in cases of divorce the husband has more rights to take them back (Reference for this: Quran 2:228). And of course who can forget the justification of polygamy, which only for men. Men can have up to 4 wives, but what about women? Well from an Islamic point of view, that doesn’t really matter (Reference for this: Quran 4:3)
Well what about inheritance, maybe the Quran will give women a break here, but no as the Quran tells us men inherit twice that of females. Allah seems to think of men as being better and more important than women; if he hadn’t made it clear by now he also wants to make sure we know that men are twice as important when it comes to inheritance (Reference for this: Quran 4:11). And well what about illegal sexual activities, surely women and men should be equal when it comes to being punished for an imaginary crime like this, but no punishment ONLY for women who commit illegal sexual activities is life in house confinement (Reference for this: Quran 4:15). As you read through the Quran you notice more and more that women are like objects in Islam and the Quran tells us that if you get tired of one there are instructions on how to replace her (Reference for this: Quran 4:20). There is absolutely no question about it, in the Quran we are told that men are in charge of women and they can beat women if the woman does not obey them (Reference for this: Quran 4:34). But what about the poor women, what if their husbands disobey them? Well nothing has been said in the Quran about this because clearly from Islamic point of view that does not matter!
If it was not clear enough the Quran reiterates again and again that a male receives twice the share of females (Reference for this: Quran 4:176)
We can go further into the whole concept of hijab, and how the Quran says Muslim women must reduce their vision and cover themselves (Reference for this: Quran 24:31, Quran 33:59). But of course this is because men can’t control themselves, what about women? Don’t they have a sex drive as well? Not according to Islam if you read the Quran carefully. If instructions for divorcing your wife were not bad enough, the Quran also gives instructions on how to divorce the kids you married, which ties into the Hadith about Muhammad marrying Aisha when she was only 6. This is a passage discussing how a man should divorce the woman he no longer wants, then it just starts talking about cases where the wife has not reached puberty yet. (Reference for this: Quran 65:4)
I haven’t even talked about how women have been treated in Muslim countries; I’ve only discussed the actual religion. I could go on and on, but before I do, let me guess, I am taking it out of context? Do you realize that religions only exist because passages are taken out of context and applied to today’s world? Besides, under what context is any of this garbage acceptable?!! Please do yourself a favour and do a bit of research next time.
- The Iranian Atheist (http://iranianatheist.tumblr.com/)
Actually those passages you bring up have been debunked a thousand times. The pseudo-science nonsense of Islam is only believable by those who hardly understand grade 4 science.
Here’s one of hundreds of sites that demonstrate how all these vague so called scientific claims in the Quran are really nothing at all:
This is just one site. There are hundreds of others. Every claim you made here has been debunked with logic and facts.
I wouldn’t say die out completely but its impact and influence on the world will decrease significantly. It will eventually just be followed by a small minority. We have way too much information and people are not just more informed, but we stand up to tyranny and oppression more than we ever used to, and there is nothing more oppressive than the shackles of religion! The trend is growing fast my friend :)
I am not judging based on the actions of extremists, I am evaluating what the Quran and the Hadith say. That is what I criticize, not what a bunch of crazy freaks decide to do.
Here is the definition of Force:
Force is defined as, strength or energy as an attribute of physical action or movement. Coercion or compulsion, esp. with the use or threat of violence.
Show me exactly where I was forcing my “atheistic” views? Please tell me where the forcing comes from? Forcing would be telling a child to follow something and if he or she doesn’t they will suffer. Forcing would be making laws forcing people to abide by certain rules. Forcing people would be threatening them with torture and hellfire, that is force! Talking about facts and discussing how religion is destroying so many communities, societies, and cultures, that is not force!
Obsession with Somalia? What are you talking about?
Out of thousands of posts I have made, perhaps half a dozen (at most) were related to religious intolerance in Somalia. I am not sure how familiar you are with numbers and statistics but that is not an obsession!
My blog focuses on atheism and religion, hence the topics I have discussed are very relevant. Telling someone that they cannot talk about Somalia just because they are not Somali is no different than telling a doctor he or she cannot talk about an illness or a disease, unless they themselves have that illness.
I am not exactly sure what you aimed to achieve with that vague anon message, except to demonstrate how clearly you are offended when something talks about the negative harm that Islam has and is continuing to cause in your native country.